Mike Sofranko

[Hide Comment] I found the crux pitch to be easier than the dihedral. Knock off about 3 letter grades if you're tall. Jan 1, 2001

Andrew Wellman

[Hide Comment] This route is [unbelievable]. It is [definitely] the best route I have climbed at Eldo. [Rossiter's] book gives it and "s" rating, and this can be interpreted as "a 15 foot traverse to the left, that if [your] pro pulled during a fall, or while trying to clip the pin, would [deposit] you [...10 feet up?] onto a ledge." This one gets an "s" for the same reason Rosy Crucifixion does, a fall at the beginning might be interesting. I just wanted to clarify this [because] you never know. If you have looked at this route all spring, like I have, and not gone up and done it yet, go for it, its not too dangerous. The airy positions are killer, too. Jan 1, 2001

David Benson

[Hide Comment] The final pitch is most definitely NOT S. I place three good nuts before clipping the pin in the undercling. And thinking the S section might be coming later I sewed up the rest of the route. I also believe the first pitch (10b) to be more technical than the last pitch (rated 10c). The last pitch is long and somewhat pumpy, but probably more like 10a/b than 10c. May 30, 2001

Anonymous Coward

[Hide Comment] Linking these two pitches with the first three of X-M makes an excellent and airy route. With three pitches at 10c and two at 10b, and four of them with s or vs grades, it makes for an aesthetic and rewarding line straight up the middle of the Bastille. Jul 23, 2001

Joe Huggins Grand Junction

[Hide Comment] I led the whole thing barefoot many years ago, does that mean I'm a real stud? Anyway, the picture actually shows the upper part of Wide Country to the right of the dihedral. Oct 15, 2001

Andrew Klein

[Hide Comment] Be careful not to go up the thin crack on the first Outer Space pitch to get into the dihedral. There is/was a ripped wired nut in this crack. Stay right and do a blind traverse to get into the dihedral. The last pitch is airy, well-protected (small alliens, nuts) and perhaps even a little easier then other Eldo 10c's. Dec 31, 2001

Tony Cappa

[Hide Comment] This route is absolutely excellent. I recommend it to anyone interested in getting some big air out under your feet. I agree with everyone else's comments that the first pitch of Outer Space is tougher than the the second. That dihedral is definitely more technical and devious than the one hard move to clip the pin in the undercling on the airy final pitch. Also, I second that motion to go around toward the right on the mini-pillar from the belay atop the first pitch of the Bastille Crack instead of trying to go up and over it. This is one of the best I've done so far (which isn't saying much but), launch yourself into Outer Space! The cracks and huecos toward the very top are so fun! Take care for rope drag as you are topping out. May 6, 2002

Anonymous Coward

[Hide Comment] Great route! I too struggled with rope drag at the top of the last pitch even though I put long runners on everything below the roof. When I got home I looked in my old Erickson guidebook and he splits the last pitch into two, adding a belay after the roof undercling and initial steep flake (40' off ledge.) Next time I do the route I'll try it this way. Jun 12, 2002

Rich Farnham Nederland, CO

[Hide Comment] A fantastic route!! Definitely three stars! As mentioned above, I could not see how it got an S rating. The climb, and the crux, eats up stoppers. Even the somewhat dubious looking fixed pin at the crux (pounded straight up into a slightly flaring crack) could be backed up with a large tcu, although I'm sure that pin has held its share of falls. As for the short bulge that can be avoided on the first pitch, I would be curious to know whether it was on the original line of ascent or not. It offers another short section of technical 5.10- moves, is well protected and fun, but can be easily avoided by climbing down and around it. Booty/Fixed Gear Alert! One of the stoppers just before the crux on the second (10c) pitch, was so good that my partner was unable to clean it. He could get the nut to move in the crack, but couldn't get it out of the rock. He said his last attempt to free it left it pointing upwards, but believed if a leader clipped a draw on it and tugged downwards, it would seat well into its original position. I hope that it is removable or at least becomes a good fixed piece. If someone posts that it is neither, I will go back up on a fixed line and see if I can get it out so that it doesn't detract from this classic line. Sep 25, 2002

Tony B Around Boulder, CO   5.10b

[Hide Comment] Just climbed this line again (4th time) after 3 years away from it. For the "s" pitch I placed a pretty solid #4 BD stopper just before leaving the belay (while still standing on the ledge). After 2 moves I put in a PERFECT green Alien up and right a few feet from the stopper. 2 moves later there was a yellow alien placement staring me in the face in a left hand sidepull... then the #8 stopper to the left, then up to the TCU placement beside the pin and the pin. Then around the corner to tons of gear opportunity. In short, the climb is not S at all, unless S stands for "S"ewn-up. As for the difficulty, I too find the dihedral pitch more technical than the upper pitch and would give both 10a/b. Staying low on the upper pitch is the key, reaching the undercling by the pin from below instead of traversing over to it. May 8, 2003

Dan Russell

[Hide Comment] There's also a billion Lowe-ball placements if you've got 'em, like every route in Eldo. There are precious few "real" runouts left in Eldo with modern gear. May 8, 2003

Lindsay Gill

[Hide Comment] I followed this climb for the 2nd time yesterday and was reminded of how beautiful the line truly is. The 1st pitch has wonderful stemming and finger locks and a very spicy second pitch with great exposure!One of my favorite in the canyon. Jun 18, 2003

Jim Collins

[Hide Comment] GEAR beta: On the headwall pitch, bring a Yellow Camalot for the start of the traverse off the belay ledge. You can reach way up and right to plug in the yellow camalot before beginning the traverse section. Also on the headwall pitch, bring lots (10 to 12) of extra runners to minimize rope drag. Finally, be SURE to look down at the Bastille Crack as soon as you finish the opening traverse. It looks like a sidewalk, and makes the whole adventure fun. Oct 4, 2003

Anonymous Coward

[Hide Comment] I've heard that when this and a lot of other Eldo "S" routes were put up, Aliens and small nuts had not yet been invented, hence the rating. I agree the crux of the 1st pitch felt harder than the second. Of course I lead P1 and got a ride on P2. For me, the crux on P2 was getting into the undercling, once you are there,pulling around the corner was no problem. The pitch is definitely not over though with several 5.9 moves left but all well protected with good feet everywhere. Enjoy. Best route I've done in Eldo!!! Aug 31, 2004

Anonymous Coward

[Hide Comment] Such a good route. Great after work elevetion gain. S rating is really pretty mild. Aug 31, 2004

Brian Ladd Bend, Oregon

[Hide Comment] I just thought I would throw out the suggestion to start with the Northcutt start and it makes for three great .10 pitches in a row. Sep 2, 2005

Ernie Port Boulder, Colorado   5.10c

[Hide Comment] Stellar route! Followed 2 & 3 today and found it to be every bit as good as advertised. On P2 the first hard move up and over the blocky prow is made easier using the overhead rail as the crack up and over peters out. This rail is slopey in the middle, but pretty good low and higher up...there is a fixed stopper at the top of the crack. The next hard move for me was out from under a pod like stance at the start of the dihedral below the pin, using bomber underclings and the crack out on the left face to begin the business of stemming. This move is 10b and leads to sinker fingers above and good holds up high to the ramp. Suppose if you don't like big exposure the start of P3 might scare you, but the holds are not too bad working up & over to the undercling crux move. Mostly smearing for the feet here, there are a few small edges, and a pretty good jug around the corner to start the business on this pitch. Pretty sustained (9) moves, with lots of exposure, bring you to a tricky, somewhat greasy, (8+) move up and left past the last pin. Juggy huecos to the top ended my new favorite climb on the Bastille. Oct 1, 2005

Jeremy Boulder, CO   5.10b/c

[Hide Comment] Such a sweet route! I don't consider myself a solid 10c climber and pulled this clean on lead after following it once. Not runout. If you are even close to the grade, Do This Route! Aug 18, 2006

TBlom

[Hide Comment] Not 10c, not runout but very good and worth checking it out, maybe 10a/b. Nov 11, 2006

David HH CR, CO   5.10b/c

[Hide Comment] Alright, I have to admit to it and fess up. I pulled the first piton thru the crux dihedral on the first pitch. How one might ask? I would love to tell a story of some great whip I took on this piton but actually, (sigh), I fell following this pitch mantling onto the sloping ledge off that horrible rail that looks great. Yes, shameful I know. I didn't play around with it, but I think you can get a small Alien where the piton once was. Thanks to John for hauling me up this beauty and making it look casual. Aug 11, 2007

Stefan Griebel Boulder, CO   5.10

[Hide Comment] I climbed Outer Space again on 9/15. I hadn't seen the above comment regarding the pin, so I was surprised when it wasn't there. I was able to place a good nut AND a good yellow Alien within a foot of each other where the pin used to be, so I don't think it need to be replaced. I will bring this up with the Eldo FHRC. Sep 18, 2007

SCherry Boulder, CO

[Hide Comment] Climbed this route in the afternoon on 9/23 for the 2nd time. The pin is indeed missing from the start of the corner on the first pitch. I was surprised to not find in there as I had remembered being able to clip it from the no-hands, shoulder-bar rest. I am only 5'8" and was able to reach high and place a great wire to protect the crux move getting established in the corner. No need to replace the pin in my opinion. Sep 24, 2007

Shawn Mitchell Broomfield

[Hide Comment] Followed Shane Zentner today. Agree it's superb; agree the 1st pitch is trickier than the 2nd. But I think the 2nd still is the harder of the two and the crux was the marathon after the undercling/corner, which only felt about 10(a). The miles of 9+ pack a 10b/c pump factor, IMO. Good lead, Shane! One other thought: On approach, it's not hard to stretch the Bastille pitches across the traverse, past the little pillar, and belay directly under the dihedral. You can sling a couple flakes and get some small gear at the belay. Aug 9, 2008

Shane Zentner Colorado

[Hide Comment] I protected the opening moves of the last pitch with a red Metolius Astro nut, a green Alien, then clipped the pin. The remaining pitch was incredible and steep with multiple 5.9+ sections. There is a small, sloping ledge about half way through the pitch that offers a chance to 'rest', though I found it difficult to rest there. The exposure, steepness, and awesome views of the canyon took my breath away. Aug 16, 2008

patrick kadel   5.10a PG13

[Hide Comment] I climbed this today for the first time and have to agree with everyone that it is one of Eldo's best. I really don't climb S or R routes and the only reason I did was because of the comments here, so thanks everyone. I will agree the first pitch of Outer Space is the more difficult of the two. If I relate the dihedral to another classic, Over The Hill, the Outer Space dihedral is easier but still a handful and the exposure is no comparison. I am also comforted on OTH by all those pins...or is it discomforted on this one by the need to think a bit more. I'll chime a 10a. Pitch 2 was relatively trivial, protects well, and is spectacular. I did not find a move harder than 5.9 on the pitch. With plenty of feet on the traverse and easy climbing around the corner I couldn't even tell where the crux was supposed to be. I thought it might have been a less secure leftward traverse near the end of the climb? Overall, a fantastic climb with absolutely no R sections and plenty of rests if you want them. Sep 27, 2008

Kirill Kireyev Boulder, CO   5.10c PG13

[Hide Comment] The pin protecting the chimney section at the beginning of the final dihedral on P1 is gone (or at least I could've sworn it was there before). You can get in a #4 BD nut and a pink tricam (neither of which felt bomber) before taking off. Fortunately, you can get gear soon after. The high traverse on P1 is significantly harder than going low and contains the (5.10c) crux move of the whole climb IMHO. May 5, 2009

Andy Laakmann Bend, OR   5.10b

[Hide Comment] A wonderful route as advertised. It protects *very* well.... and most definitely does NOT warrant an R rating. You can place gear anywhere you want it (perhaps with the exception of the last 30 feet up the huecos on P2, but the climbing is easy). I thought P1 contained the crux, and the stemming felt about 10a/b (and a touch easier than Over The Hill). If there was a pin at the base of the stemming (in the chimney like alcove), it is gone now.... but a red alien fit nicely. The P2 "crux" felt about 10a as well, but the entire second pitch is definitely a journey. I placed the EXACT gear Tony B lists above, and they are all bomber. There are plenty of rests up the final headwall, but the various moves are engaging and sometimes a bit tricky. I had pretty bad rope drag, despite judicious use of slings, so I'm not sure how I could have avoided it. The pitch is spectacular, but the rope drag is a big bummer. A standard rack (nuts and two sets of cams from tiny to #3 camalot) is fine. Lots of slings. Edit: I just looked at a photo and saw one of someone belaying under the "end" of the traverse, and that looks like the ticket to avoiding rope drag. My belay was towards the beginning of the traverse. YMMV May 20, 2009

percious Bear Creek, CO   5.10b

[Hide Comment] I agree with Tony both that the top and bottom pitches are about equivalent in difficulty, and that the gear placements do not warrant an S rating. I will say however that the gear on the P2 traverse is strenuous to place. I was only able to get a small nut and a yellow tcu before clipping the pin and giving it a go around the corner. Once I got around the corner, I was expecting the climb to let up a bit, but a number of 5.9 moves awaited me before I found a substantial rest stance. Great climb! Jun 19, 2009

Mike Robinson Grand Junction, CO   5.10c

[Hide Comment] Definitely in Eldo's Top 10, no top five routes. Everything about it is great! Great gear, great positioning, vertical, comfortable belay ledges, exposure, and so on.... Jun 22, 2009

Soraya Khalje Aspen, co

[Hide Comment] Absolutely wonderful route! Just loved everything about it - every move is great. Jun 24, 2009

Aimee Bates

[Hide Comment] This is my favorite route to date! For anyone who loves exposure, you have to do this climb. Pitch 3 was AMAZING! Sep 27, 2009

punkencack

[Hide Comment] This route is junk. My partner and I did it this past weekend in near-freezing temps wearing shoes that Chinese-foot-binding specialists would have deemed torturous; we went without water, food, or warm clothing. To say it went easily would be an understatement, but frankly, a couple times my feet were so cold I could have sworn my name was Hugh Herr. All the beta is total crap. There is no exposure . . . no pumpy headwall . . . no airy traverse. There was some rather lackluster graffiti we noticed (LK who?), which I took the time to chip off and replace with a nice (and obviously more gratifying) "Eat Me" in bright orange spray paint. I always huff the orange stuff on routes. It just gets me there faster . . . . Apr 5, 2010

Mitch Musci Laramie, WY

[Hide Comment] For the P2 crux, there's no need to undercling high by the pin. Just stay lower on better hand holds. Jun 8, 2011

Tommey-James Boulder,Colorado   5.10b

[Hide Comment] Super fun, super safe. Jul 5, 2011

Andrew McLean Boulder, CO   5.10b

[Hide Comment] Believe the hype. It's all true. I thought the undercling move was money. Lots of gear at the crux. May 28, 2013

Michael Butts Boulder, Co   5.10b PG13

[Hide Comment] CLASSIC! I have wanted to do this route since I moved to CO a couple of years ago. However, that R rating like many others has scared me away. This route definitely does not need an R rating. You can, and I did, staple the route up, hahaha! This fact does not take away from the exposure. The last pitch is amazingly exposed and awesome. I feel like the crux is short, but there is still some great moves to come to finish the route. I can't wait to run up this again, and I am psyched for anyone who has been scared off this thing to give it a shot. Great climbing. Jul 5, 2013

Alan Doak boulder, co

[Hide Comment] It sounds like I was off-route on pitch one. I followed the chalk into the first corner with the ripped nut. I moved out onto the left face of the corner, using the thin finger rail, before crossing back right. It went, but it was harder than 9+, and I was a bit above my last piece by the time I was on top of the block. I'd be curious to hear what people rate it. Aug 12, 2013

Mark Oveson Provo, UT   5.10b PG13

[Hide Comment] Spectacular position and interesting climbing. The first pitch is insecure and sustained at 10a for a good 20-30 feet. I think the traditional "S" rating comes from this pitch, as you have to climb 8-10 feet above a small wired nut and risk a ledgefall. I followed both pitches, so take this in context, but to me the second pitch does seem to protect surprisingly well. Jun 24, 2014

mountainhick Black Hawk, CO   5.10b PG13

[Hide Comment] Wonderful route! I didn't find it R, maybe PG-13 going around the first bulge P1 traversing to the corner, and on the P2 upper hueco-ed runout to the top, but neither sections are near the crux 5.10b-ish grade. Pro seemed plentiful and solid otherwise. Don't let your guard down after pulling through the P2 crux. It stays pretty continuous and has a couple more interesting cruxy bits on the upper headwall. Jun 10, 2015

Chad Elliott Denver   5.10b/c PG13

[Hide Comment] After reading comments, the fixed gear is ever evolving on this route. I'm usually a fan of fixed pins when I see one, but many looked to be disintegrating when looking deep. Good cam placements next to most though! Jun 15, 2018

D Scott Clark Chattanooga, TN   5.10c PG13

[Hide Comment] Led both pitches yesterday. I definitely felt that the first pitch was quite a bit harder than the second pitch, like P1 10c and P2 10a. I wished I would have had more 0.3s for P1. I got a pretty bomber 0.4 in protecting the move to the undercling and a fixed pin on the beginning of P2. Made the sequence feel quite casual. Such a stellar route! Aug 4, 2019

Dominic

[Hide Comment] Thought P1 was very tough and P2 significantly easier. Trip report here: rockaroundtheworld.co.uk/20…. Sep 7, 2019

Top Rope Hero Was Estes Park, now homeless

[Hide Comment] I'm gonna second everyone who puts this at 10-. No "s" or "r" rating (six foot, +3 AI). Just climbed this yesterday for second time and again found plenty of soft 10 beta as well as plenty of pro - or at least enough of both to win the day (I barely lead 10c in Eldo on my best day). Not every sequence is easy to read, not all the pro is terribly easy to place on lead or textbook solid once you get it in, but it's all there, in typical Eldo fashion, and whatever runouts do exist (the walk-a-round boulder on P1, the hueco finish on P2) are WELL below 5.10, soooo.... Mostly, I think, OS is a head game. People jaw on and on about how sparse the protection, how precarious and bold the runouts...just bring yer small cams and smaller wires, and look for feet. You'll be fine, young leader! Sep 27, 2020

Jesse B Colorado

[Hide Comment] Please remove the R rating from the description. Climbed this route today, and there is plenty of gear to be found. Fun route! May 23, 2021

Dom R Estes Park, CO

[Hide Comment] Seems like the unpopular opinion here, but I found the dihedral to be pretty chill, hard to figure out exiting the chimney, but once you commit, it's not challenging movement, and there are great stems to place gear on. The second pitch is classic Eldo pumpy and continuous 5.10. Hard to beat the position and movement on this pitch. I've never climbed this route before the undercling broke in the chimney, but I wouldn't say the grade changed. Still felt 10a/bish. Oct 6, 2021

Everett Johnson Colorado   5.10 PG13

[Hide Comment] First person view of the crux dihedral on P1: youtube.com/watch?v=VNWlht9…. May 16, 2022

Kaz Hatfield Firestone, CO   5.10a/b PG13

[Hide Comment] Phenomenal. I feel like the "R" rating is a bit much, felt more like PG-13. Pitch 1... Stellar. Pitch 2... Classic, Incredible Exposure. Don't forget to keep an eye out for "LK" Climb as soon as you read this, get off the computer, hang up the phone, quit your job, hire a baby sitter, buy a plane ticket, whatever you need to do! May 19, 2022

Nathaniel Ward Winston-Salem, NC   5.10

[Hide Comment] With the Werk Supp first pitch, this is 3 pitches of the best trad you can find anywhere. Just stellar. The climbing just keeps coming, all the way to the top in an outstanding setting. Not sure where the R rating comes from. The traverse is airy but protected. I sewed the climb up and always had gear whenever I wanted it on both crux pitches. Aug 18, 2022

Jim Browsky Denver

[Hide Comment] Fun route. I'm no fan of runout and was pretty happy with the protection - in a few spots, I had to look around a bit for pro, but it is nothing to worry about if you are solid at the grade. I could see giving the route a PG-13, and I could see calling a heads up PG. I only place nuts as a literal last resort and was happy on the first pitch with a Metolius 00 and 0 - no nuts were needed. Was pleased to have a black Totem and three 0.3s on the cruxy, stemmy part of pitch one which takes mostly finger-size gear. The storied piton at the start of P2 in the undercling looked solid in Sept. 2022. Sep 25, 2022

WF WF51   5.10a/b

[Hide Comment] The first 5.10 pitch felt like 5.10a and the second, 5.10b. The protection was good, and the route was great. Feb 12, 2023

Weston Hamilton Denver, CO

[Hide Comment] Anyone hazard a guess on the grade going above (past the broken nut) versus below the bulge on pitch 1? Seemed awkward for 5.9, and the dihedral felt easier. May 13, 2023

Milt Strickler Louisville CO   5.10b/c

[Hide Comment] Fantastic route! Not just my favorite on the Bastille but one of my top ten favorites from anywhere in the country. I first did Outer Space with Mike Endicott in 1976, via the Bastille Crack. At the time, the dihedral pitch was considered 5.10- and the undercling pitch 5.9+, both of which seemed accurate to me. I don't know if this story is true, but I was told way back when that Derek Hersey was soloing Outer Space in the late '80s (very routine for him) and that he spent some time going back and forth on the undercling, trying to avoid a loose hold. Eventually he found something that worked and topped out. Not long after this that hold did break off, and the undercling was harder. The next time I did Outer Space was in 1990, as a finish to XM (highly recommended combo!!). The dihedral still seemed like 5.10a, but the undercling was noticeably harder - maybe 5.10b/c. If that story is true, Derek knew how to sniff out loose holds. I never knew him well, but you couldn't imagine a more likeable, personable guy ---- aside from being the most impressive solo climber I've ever seen. Jul 4, 2023

MauryB Boulder, CO

[Hide Comment] Looking over at the start of the second pitch from the Saturnalia belay yesterday, there appeared to be a big, broken piece missing from one of the beginning holds. Any news on that? Apr 12, 2024

Will Chang Boulder, CO   5.10b/c

[Hide Comment] Phenomenal route. I compared some pictures I had, and there is no new breakage - more like rocks came out of a fissure in the rock. The hold leading into the traverse is deeper, easier to protect, and the sequence just as interesting. Jun 13, 2024

Kieran Stone Boulder, CO

[Hide Comment] I think going above the block might be 10c or d comparing it to March of Dimes. I took a big whip and decided to not try it again. A friend who’s been climbing in Eldo for years and has climbed 5.11 said he think it’s 11 so. Jul 9, 2024